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		<title>By: nerdiah</title>
		<link>http://pigeonchess.com/2008/03/29/the-expelled-rsvp-sites-getting-to-the-facts/#comment-132</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[nerdiah]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 10:23:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;Ferrous Patella&lt;/b&gt;: Well now I just feel stupid.

&lt;b&gt;Michael&lt;/b&gt;, no no no, didn&#039;t you get the memo? Arguing that he was hassling people in line is &lt;i&gt;so&lt;/i&gt; 20th of March. We&#039;re not going to get anywhere if we&#039;re not all singing from the same hymn-sheet. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.businesswire.com/portal/site/google/?ndmViewId=news_view&amp;newsId=20080325006175&amp;newsLang=en&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Here&lt;/a&gt; is the latest, as crafted by our friends at CRC Public Relations, 25 March 2008. Now, repeat after me: 

&quot;Recognizing the opportunity to make a point of the inconvenience and pain that they, and others like them, have caused to numerous scientists and educators, the decision was made beforehand to deny Myers access to the film if he actually showed up.&quot;

Got it? Good. Now, go spread that on your blogs.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Ferrous Patella</b>: Well now I just feel stupid.</p>
<p><b>Michael</b>, no no no, didn&#8217;t you get the memo? Arguing that he was hassling people in line is <i>so</i> 20th of March. We&#8217;re not going to get anywhere if we&#8217;re not all singing from the same hymn-sheet. <a href="http://www.businesswire.com/portal/site/google/?ndmViewId=news_view&amp;newsId=20080325006175&amp;newsLang=en" rel="nofollow">Here</a> is the latest, as crafted by our friends at CRC Public Relations, 25 March 2008. Now, repeat after me: </p>
<p>&#8220;Recognizing the opportunity to make a point of the inconvenience and pain that they, and others like them, have caused to numerous scientists and educators, the decision was made beforehand to deny Myers access to the film if he actually showed up.&#8221;</p>
<p>Got it? Good. Now, go spread that on your blogs.</p>
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		<title>By: Responding to my first blog critic &#171; Playing Chess with Pigeons</title>
		<link>http://pigeonchess.com/2008/03/29/the-expelled-rsvp-sites-getting-to-the-facts/#comment-126</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Responding to my first blog critic &#171; Playing Chess with Pigeons]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 04:39:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] freely admit that I was mistaken there, and I have already said so in a later post on my investigation into the various Expelled RSVP pages. And the addendum was in fact added [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] freely admit that I was mistaken there, and I have already said so in a later post on my investigation into the various Expelled RSVP pages. And the addendum was in fact added [...]</p>
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		<title>By: emissrto</title>
		<link>http://pigeonchess.com/2008/03/29/the-expelled-rsvp-sites-getting-to-the-facts/#comment-121</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[emissrto]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 02:55:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I’m not leaving this comment. I didn’t just write that. This comment proves that I didn’t write it.
Damn! Even when I try, I can’t be as transparent a liar as Ferrous Patella&#039;s 2-way code.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’m not leaving this comment. I didn’t just write that. This comment proves that I didn’t write it.<br />
Damn! Even when I try, I can’t be as transparent a liar as Ferrous Patella&#8217;s 2-way code.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://pigeonchess.com/2008/03/29/the-expelled-rsvp-sites-getting-to-the-facts/#comment-119</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 00:19:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have heard many things about the P. Z. Myers incident. He could have view the screening if he had behaved himself more. Before the screen, P.Z Myers was blogging to the world...

&quot;I will go see this movie, and I will cheer loudly at my 30 seconds or whatever on the screen, and I will certainly disembowel its arguments here and in any print venue that wants me. That’s going to be fun.&quot;

Promising to cheer loudly every time you see yourself on the screen is a threat of going to be disruptive. 

Also P.Z. Myers was being aggressive in line as he would &quot;worm&quot; his way towards the screen which did annoy others who were standing in line. Here is a man aggressively heading toward the production, promised to cheer &quot;loudly&quot; each time he seen himself, who would allow a man like this showing signs of being disruptive into the screening? 

If he would have set aside his pride, and displayed more civil behavior instead of acting so militant about it, he would have most certainly have gotten into screening the production. Now he has to wait to buy a ticket like everyone else to do all the things he said he would do or maybe he has done that already...lol]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have heard many things about the P. Z. Myers incident. He could have view the screening if he had behaved himself more. Before the screen, P.Z Myers was blogging to the world&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;I will go see this movie, and I will cheer loudly at my 30 seconds or whatever on the screen, and I will certainly disembowel its arguments here and in any print venue that wants me. That’s going to be fun.&#8221;</p>
<p>Promising to cheer loudly every time you see yourself on the screen is a threat of going to be disruptive. </p>
<p>Also P.Z. Myers was being aggressive in line as he would &#8220;worm&#8221; his way towards the screen which did annoy others who were standing in line. Here is a man aggressively heading toward the production, promised to cheer &#8220;loudly&#8221; each time he seen himself, who would allow a man like this showing signs of being disruptive into the screening? </p>
<p>If he would have set aside his pride, and displayed more civil behavior instead of acting so militant about it, he would have most certainly have gotten into screening the production. Now he has to wait to buy a ticket like everyone else to do all the things he said he would do or maybe he has done that already&#8230;lol</p>
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		<title>By: Ferrous Patella</title>
		<link>http://pigeonchess.com/2008/03/29/the-expelled-rsvp-sites-getting-to-the-facts/#comment-117</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ferrous Patella]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 19:28:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sorry! I should have used some of those loathsome slimely faces. With my handle, I usually have more trouble getting people to take me seriously than miss it when I am being silly.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry! I should have used some of those loathsome slimely faces. With my handle, I usually have more trouble getting people to take me seriously than miss it when I am being silly.</p>
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		<title>By: nerdiah</title>
		<link>http://pigeonchess.com/2008/03/29/the-expelled-rsvp-sites-getting-to-the-facts/#comment-116</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[nerdiah]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 08:46:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;Duae Quartunciae&lt;/b&gt;: &quot;&lt;i&gt;Well, there was a bit of “gate crashing” on the conference call. ... It is analogous to being invited to be in the audience at a panel discussion, but arriving early at the same time as panel members, and walking in with them to the main table without security noticing.&lt;/i&gt;&quot;

Thanks Duae, you beat me to it. I think that Myers was stupid to do it, but I&#039;m really pissed at Panda&#039;s Thumb, who seem to be giving it the kind of spin we&#039;ve come to expect from the &lt;i&gt;Expelled&lt;/i&gt; group. That&#039;s just embarrassing. At least Myers didn&#039;t try to spin what he did, and openly said that he was &quot;misbehaving&quot; in the title of his post on the incident.

Yes, &lt;b&gt;Ferrous Patella&lt;/b&gt;, he did receive an email invitation, however that invitation was not to speak on the call but to submit questions by email. He rang up early and they accidentally gave him the code with which to speak live. He, realising their error, decided to take advantage of their mistake anyway and use it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Duae Quartunciae</b>: &#8220;<i>Well, there was a bit of “gate crashing” on the conference call. &#8230; It is analogous to being invited to be in the audience at a panel discussion, but arriving early at the same time as panel members, and walking in with them to the main table without security noticing.</i>&#8221;</p>
<p>Thanks Duae, you beat me to it. I think that Myers was stupid to do it, but I&#8217;m really pissed at Panda&#8217;s Thumb, who seem to be giving it the kind of spin we&#8217;ve come to expect from the <i>Expelled</i> group. That&#8217;s just embarrassing. At least Myers didn&#8217;t try to spin what he did, and openly said that he was &#8220;misbehaving&#8221; in the title of his post on the incident.</p>
<p>Yes, <b>Ferrous Patella</b>, he did receive an email invitation, however that invitation was not to speak on the call but to submit questions by email. He rang up early and they accidentally gave him the code with which to speak live. He, realising their error, decided to take advantage of their mistake anyway and use it.</p>
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		<title>By: damianphipps</title>
		<link>http://pigeonchess.com/2008/03/29/the-expelled-rsvp-sites-getting-to-the-facts/#comment-115</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[damianphipps]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 03:34:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Glen Davidson had been leading me a merry dance - the barsteward! For reasons which I can&#039;t quite figure out (because they will continue to lie, regardless), I have been defending PZ on various sites against the obvious nonsense spewed forth by ID supporters. 

Every time I posted something about the various RSVP sites, Glen would appear and seemingly challenge what I had said, inadvertently allowing the dishonesty to propagate further (as I saw it, anyway). I couldn&#039;t figure out why - until I realized that he knew all along. Ah, well. 

I have both the links and images of the cached version of the screenings list, which both mention Mall of America, but only one specifically says &lt;i&gt;&quot;Private screenings&quot;&lt;/i&gt;. So, as you say, it looks like there was a page for invited guests, and one for pretty much anyone who found the link.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glen Davidson had been leading me a merry dance &#8211; the barsteward! For reasons which I can&#8217;t quite figure out (because they will continue to lie, regardless), I have been defending PZ on various sites against the obvious nonsense spewed forth by ID supporters. </p>
<p>Every time I posted something about the various RSVP sites, Glen would appear and seemingly challenge what I had said, inadvertently allowing the dishonesty to propagate further (as I saw it, anyway). I couldn&#8217;t figure out why &#8211; until I realized that he knew all along. Ah, well. </p>
<p>I have both the links and images of the cached version of the screenings list, which both mention Mall of America, but only one specifically says <i>&#8220;Private screenings&#8221;</i>. So, as you say, it looks like there was a page for invited guests, and one for pretty much anyone who found the link.</p>
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		<title>By: Duae Quartunciae</title>
		<link>http://pigeonchess.com/2008/03/29/the-expelled-rsvp-sites-getting-to-the-facts/#comment-108</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Duae Quartunciae]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 20:09:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, there was a bit of &quot;gate crashing&quot; on the conference call. Myers first called up the listen-only line to which the Pandas folks had been invited. He was a bit early, while they were still setting up, and overhead the number to be used by people actually able to speak on-air. So he called up that number instead, and was able to interrupt the conversation and join in live.

It is analogous to being invited to be in the audience at a panel discussion, but arriving early at the same time as panel members, and walking in with them to the main table without security noticing.

Myers did also disconnect shortly after speaking up on air. Hilarious.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, there was a bit of &#8220;gate crashing&#8221; on the conference call. Myers first called up the listen-only line to which the Pandas folks had been invited. He was a bit early, while they were still setting up, and overhead the number to be used by people actually able to speak on-air. So he called up that number instead, and was able to interrupt the conversation and join in live.</p>
<p>It is analogous to being invited to be in the audience at a panel discussion, but arriving early at the same time as panel members, and walking in with them to the main table without security noticing.</p>
<p>Myers did also disconnect shortly after speaking up on air. Hilarious.</p>
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		<title>By: Kristine</title>
		<link>http://pigeonchess.com/2008/03/29/the-expelled-rsvp-sites-getting-to-the-facts/#comment-107</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kristine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 17:57:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[PZ did no gate-crashing at either time. Rather it is the &lt;i&gt;Expelled&lt;/i&gt; and ID tools who have been trumpeting their &quot;youthful, rebellious&quot; gate-crashing of &quot;the Darwinian establishment&quot; who should finally own up to their childish actions.

And if &lt;i&gt;Expelled&lt;/i&gt; writer Kevin Miller hadn&#039;t run away from our questions to him on that very same thread on which Glen linked to the One Great City blog, Miller would have seen us openly discussing attending these screenings, and would have also read J-Dog ask me to invite PZ. (Of course I thought of it myself.) Dweebs.

&lt;i&gt;Expelled&lt;/i&gt; is set to open in theatres on the weekend that both Charles Darwin and his grandfather, Erasmus, died. What bad taste! I hope to see this film, which is an exercise in psychological projection and paranoia bar none, share the same fate.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PZ did no gate-crashing at either time. Rather it is the <i>Expelled</i> and ID tools who have been trumpeting their &#8220;youthful, rebellious&#8221; gate-crashing of &#8220;the Darwinian establishment&#8221; who should finally own up to their childish actions.</p>
<p>And if <i>Expelled</i> writer Kevin Miller hadn&#8217;t run away from our questions to him on that very same thread on which Glen linked to the One Great City blog, Miller would have seen us openly discussing attending these screenings, and would have also read J-Dog ask me to invite PZ. (Of course I thought of it myself.) Dweebs.</p>
<p><i>Expelled</i> is set to open in theatres on the weekend that both Charles Darwin and his grandfather, Erasmus, died. What bad taste! I hope to see this film, which is an exercise in psychological projection and paranoia bar none, share the same fate.</p>
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		<title>By: Ferrous Patella</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ferrous Patella]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 16:25:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What gate-crashing did PZ do at the conference call? They sent an invitation to the Panda&#039;s Thumb crew (which definitely includes PZ), when he called in, the hosts announce the 2-way code for everyone to hear.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What gate-crashing did PZ do at the conference call? They sent an invitation to the Panda&#8217;s Thumb crew (which definitely includes PZ), when he called in, the hosts announce the 2-way code for everyone to hear.</p>
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